9 hole rounds: Is there a way to make a 9 holes round?

Do I need to create a new course with just a front nine and another for the back nine so when I play those it will accumulate the stats?

If you enter 9 holes (or any number of holes less than 18) for a “round” and get results, everything is scaled to 18 holes. If you get results for, say, one round with 9 holes and another round with 18 holes, then the results are computed for all 27 holes, then scaled to 18 to give results on an 18-hole per-round basis.

And you can record a ‘round’ with any number of holes. For example, you can record holes 3, 7, 9, 10, 13, and 15 and the GM app will give you a report on that ‘round’ (i.e., with results scaled to an 18-hole equivalent round). If you ask for a report on multiple rounds that includes, say, 41 holes, all holes are included (equally weighted) and then results are compiled and reported on an 18-hole basis.

Adjacent Fairway: How would you classify the lie if you hit your tee shot into the fairway of a different hole? Especially if the recovery category doesn’t apply? Like I big slice into the next fairway but the approach shot is generally unobstructed to be green or small trees to hit over…or you are in the fairway but have to hit a huge cut or hook to get to the green from a different hole’s fairway?

To get the ‘fairways hit’ stats correct, I’d recommend labelling ‘missed into another fairway’ as ‘rough’ (which would be more consistent with the way it is done elsewhere).

Changing Par: how can you change the pars on the course

Just tap the ‘par’ on the scorecard and the par will cycle through 3, 4, 5.  The par will be remembered for the next time.

Clubs: Is it possible to specify which club he has used.

The system does not allow recording of the club used, though we are considering adding this feature.  The main reason is that it is more important to know ‘how close from how far’ and not ‘which club’. And we didn’t want to increase the time for data entry substantially.

Data Entry: I am confused on how to enter data into the app for different round. Can you please provide me with a guide for it?

1) press “add round”, enter name and course and then “add round” button. 2)
press “add shot” button and enter shot info. Single shots can be entered (press “add”) or a sequence of shots (press “add/next”). 3) swipe to move to next hole; Strokes Gained will be computed as shots are entered. 4) press results to see more detailed results.

This is detailed in the help pages at the bottom of each tab using the “?” icon.

Data export: Can you export the data into a .csv or .xls file?

Yes. Go to golfmetrics.com, login using your credentials you registered with and choose “data csv” on right side.

Different tees: How do I record a yellow tee, other white or even red in a variety of courses? Do you create different courses for each tee type or is it ok to have records on the same course with different tee distances each round?

It might be easiest to create separate courses if the tees are significantly different.  For example, naming the Castle Creek course as three courses: Castle Creek white, Castle Creek red, Castle Creek black.  The advantage is that the next time you play the course on, say, the white tees, the hole yardages from the white tees are remembered by the Golfmetrics app.

Alternatively, you could have one Castle Creek course and the app would remember the hole yardages from the last time you played (and you’d have to change if you are playing a difference set of tees than the previous time).

Distance Entry: On any shot, do you use the distance of the hole or distance of your tee shot?

On the Shot Entry tab, all distance entries (including tee shot) are distance to the hole. They appear on the table under “hole dis”.

Will GM use my phone to determine the yardage to the hole? Or do I need to use a different device and write it down?

You need to manually enter the distance to the hole. Most golfers know this on almost every shot. The problem with GPS is that it can be quite inaccurate and is unusable for putt distances. Note: you never have to compute how long a shot travels – you only need to enter the distance to the hole.
You can write it down and enter later, but many find it easier to enter while on the course (e.g., after each hole is completed).

If hitting lay up on par five, do you enter the distance to the flag or the distance you are trying to lay up to?

Always enter the distance to the flag.

Is the distance entered the distance he hits the ball or the total ball distance?

The user always inputs ‘distance to the hole’ and never ‘distance the ball travelled’ (so no calculations are ever necessary for the user).

Doglegs: When inputting distance to hole from the tee on a dogleg par 4/5, is it best to use the direct as-the-crow-flies GPS distance or the distance as measured on the scorecard? For example, on my home course, there’s a dogleg left par 4 with a scorecard distance of 434 (I’m assuming this is based on route to bend of dogleg), but the direct line distance is around 400

For consistency, it is best to use the scorecard distance (adjusted up or down a bit considering the placement of the tee markers relative to the hole yardage plate).

Lots of reasons for this, but it is a reasonable choice given a number of factors. Similarly, we don’t adjust approach shot distances if the hole is playing uphill versus downhill, into or against the wind.

Driving results: When I see in my stats drive dis, 75 pct 272 (13). What does this mean? Does it mean that 75 percent of my longest drives were 272?

Drive dis, 75 pct 272 (13).
This means that 3 out of 4 drives were shorter than 272 yards, and 1 out of 4 drives were longer than 272 yards, out of 13 measured drives. The 272 value is an estimate of a player’s driving distance with a “good drive.”

Effect of par: How do the results change for a par-70 course versus a different par?

The par of the course does not affect the strokes gained results in any way. It only affects the “standard statistics” where birdies, pars, bogeys, etc., are reported.

Fringe: How should I record a shot from the fringe? Does it matter if I use a putter or other club?

Yes, it should be recorded as ‘fairway’ (whether or not a putter is used)!

Gender: What about female golfers? Are SG numbers different for them for driving, approach, etc?

I’ve found that the male / female distinction is not so important. There are older golfer who hit is short, young golfers who hit is short, players who are very long, but wild and don’t score well, etc. In short, what matters are the shots and not so much the sex of the golfer.

The Golfmetrics system gives handicaps, and a 5-handicap does refer to the USGA male 5 –handicap, while the female USGA handicap would be a bit different. Most female pros use the ‘scratch benchmark’.

Glossary: Is there a Glossary or explanation of terms?

Tee distance: the distance from the tee to the center of the green measured along the fairway, i.e., the distance on the scorecard.

Fairway distance: the distance from the shot location to the hole. (Note: you never have to enter the distance a shot travels into Golfmetrics.)

Penalty: there isn’t a distance associated with penalty shots. Example: Say your tee shot goes into the water and you make a lateral drop. For shot 2 select
“penalty”. For shot 3 select the ball location (e.g., rough or fairway) and distance to the hole after the penalty drop.

Recovery: A recovery shot is a “condition” like “rough” that should be selected when you can’t hit a “normal” shot toward the hole. For example, if you are in the woods and have
to chip back toward the fairway, that would be a recovery shot. Think of the ball in the “woods” as being in a “recovery location.”

Green: these are strokes on the green whether you use a putter or not. (If you are off the green on the fairway and use a putter the “condition” should be fairway, not green. The club used never matters in determining the location of the ball.)

Handicap Results: What does 5.5 handicap driving mean?

The answer is that handicaps are based on strokes gained per shot, not strokes gained per round. For example, if there was a category of 70-80 yard sand shots, a player could have a terrible SG per shot (high handicap) but with 1 shot every few rounds, it doesn’t much impact strokes gained per round.
“Weird” results like the ones you attached tend not to happen on reports with several rounds.

Handicap vs SG: Does it mean that how the calculation of round handicap for a specific category (e.g. Short Game) does not have additive property as stroke gained has ?

Exactly. That’s why I usually prefer strokes gained per round, because you don’t need to spend as much time on improving a skill that has little impact on your score. However, if you just want to measure skill in a given area (independent of the number of shots taken per round), then strokes gained per shot is more appropriate.

Handicaps: The capture is my last 5 rounds average. And my average results are 5 over. 77 on par 72. Why the numbers are like handicap 0 or better but my scores avrgs is 77?? If I understand the numbers my average round could be around par right?

In the US handicap system, a scratch golfer might have an average score of around 75-77.  Part of the reason is that the worst half of scores are thrown out for handicap purposes. As another point of reference, PGA Tour pros would have handicaps ranging from plus 6 to plus 9.  Finally, PGA Tour pros play on more difficult courses and conditions, so their handicap on a more ‘normal’ course would be about plus 8 to plus 11.

Miss left/right: Will there be an option to enter if you miss the fairway left or right and also the approach to the green left/right/ short or long?

Not currently, but that is another feature we are intending to add at some point in the future. (Same with missing a putt short/long, left/right, high/low.)

Multiple Devices: Any plans to allow rounds to be shared across multiple devices? i.e. iPhone and iPad?

The “options(3bar)/Restore Rounds” feature will download rounds from the cloud to a second device. At this time it does not simultaneously sync between devices.

Multiple Reports: Can you do reports on multiple round?

You can definitely do reports on multiple rounds! In the round tab, use the check boxed to select rounds then press the results tab. Alternatively, use the “filter / oil can” to select rounds (e.g., by date range), press “filter” button, then press the results tab.

New local OB rule Message: Are you planning to modify app for new local rule for out of bounds play? Have have just been doing it the old way but might be nice to have a way to do it without going through 3 steps.

With the new local OB rule, suppose you hit your tee shot OB and then drop with a 2 stroke penalty and hit from 250 yards in the fairway.
You can enter the tee shot, hit add/next, press the penalty button and add/next, press the penalty button and add/next, then press ‘fairway’ and 250. Is that how you’ve been doing it? I would not use the ‘double penalty’ button for this.

New SG report: About the new SG report per shot , what is IT for , what can we take from this new report ? And also we can see the percent for drive , approach etc , what does the precentage mean ?

The SG per shot is a good measure for practice (e.g., skills tests), since it measures ‘skill’ independent of the number of shots taken in a round. A player’s biggest potential gain is a shot category with a strokes gained per round (which is composed of strokes gained per shots times the number of shots per round).
The % column is the percent of shots in that category in a round.

Peer groups/handicaps: Will there ever be any option of choosing a different peer group? i.e. 80s shooter versus pro or scratch only?

We thought it would be clearer to present the info using handicaps. The handicaps are a direct way to compare SG results in different categories to different peer groups. For example, if your driving handicap is 12 and your putting handicap is 2, then your driving is worse than an 80-shooter (about 6 handicap) and your putting is better than an 80-shooter.

Penalty Shot Entry: On Penalty shot entry, after I click Penalty, the app is not letting me enter a distance.

For a penalty shot, the distance to the hole at the start of the shot isn’t needed, so the app makes it “easier” by not asking (nor allowing) you to enter that info.

In your example, shot 2 is a penalty, which was caused by the outcome of shot 1, so the strokes gained for shot 1 will suffer. The strokes gained for shot 1, when shot 2 is a penalty, depends on the beginning location of shot 3. So what matters is to enter the distance to the hole at the beginning of shot 3 (and then distance to the hole at the beginning of shot 2 is not needed).

Note: if you hit a tee shot out of bounds there is a “double penalty” button which automatically re-enters the shot 1 info for the beginning of shot 3.

Pickup entry: How to add a made-up shot, or label it as a pickup. Do you mean just add them as penalties?

Suppose you hit your tee shot OB and then pick up.  Say it’s a par-4 and you’d like to record a score of 6. Enter 6 shots, e.g., tee shot, double penalty, re-tee shot, iron shot, putt, putt.   On shot 3, “re-tee shot,” press in the SG column to turn shots 3-6 into “pickups.”  Your shot 1 tee shot and penalty will be recorded as “real shots” for SG purposes, the pickup shots will be ignored for SG results (since they didn’t happen) and your score for the hole will be recorded as 6 (so it’s easy to understand your final round score).

Practice Rounds: I’d love to be able to use the app to record specific practice sessions to track my progress. For example, I play 18 hole rounds on the practice green, using a random number generator on my phone to determine the length of each first putt. I record the results on a scorecard and manually enter them on a spreadsheet that calculates strokes gained based on a database I found online. It would be much easier if I could do that on your app.

You can already do this with the app. When adding a new round, create a new course called, say, prac putt (shorter for practice putt). Then enter data for each “hole,” changing the first shot from “tee” to “green.” As long as your practice session concludes with a hole out, this will compute strokes gained for your practice putting.

You can also do the same with “prac chip”, where if you don’t hole out, you can look at the strokes gained short game results and ignore the strokes gained putting results.

Pro vs Scr: But if I enter 6 foot in the app that I hole I gain 0.44 strokes. Where does this difference com from.

If I use the table from the book and I enter a stroke from one these distances in the app I get different strokes gained numbers. In this case, the table says a 6 foot putt is average 1.34. So if I hole a 6 foot putt I assume you would win 0.34 strokes. But if I enter 6 foot in the app that I hole I gain 0.44 strokes (see attachment). Where does this difference com from.
The GM app computes both ‘Pro SG’ and ‘Scr SG’ (professional and scratch). You can toggle between them by pressing the text. You get a gain of 0.44 relative to a scratch golfer and 0.34 relative to a Pro golfer.

Proximity: How is the proximity computed exactly?

Suppose a shot starts 125 yards from the hole and the end of the shot is 10 feet from the hole. Then the player’s average proximity from 100-150 yards is 10 feet. However, suppose the player’s shot started 150 yards from the hole. Then a shot to 10 feet from the hole from 150 yards is better than one starting from 125 yards, so the ending distance to the hole is scaled to reflect that difference. In particular, the proximity is reported as 10*125/150 = 8.3 feet. In this way, the proximity results a more consistent with each other when there is a limited amount of data.

In addition, proximity is computed as a median value, not an average. For example, suppose a player had three shots starting from 125 yards in the fairway. Shot 1 ended 10 feet from the hole, shot 2 ended 14 feet from the hole and shot 3 ended 100 feet from the hole. The median proximity of the three shots is 14 feet (the middle value of 10, 14 and 100). Using the median value gives a better measure of proximity than the average value because it is not heavily influenced by ‘outlier’ poor shots (in this case the shot that ended 100 feet from the hole).

Recording shots: What is the best way to record a shot in this situation… par 5 525 tee shot… 250 fairway… 100 fairway… 250 out there’s a hazard and all sorts of trouble. Playing 250 to 100 costs me roughly .25 vs scratch and hurts my approach stats. I agree I should lose .25 but is there a way to reflect it differently?

Not easy to do this any differently. The “better” way to do it would be to have separate baselines for each hole that would take into account, e.g., placement of hazards, but this really isn’t feasible. The second answer is that you might be losing 0.25, but that is better than taking on the hazard and, on average losing, more than 0.25. A “correct” strategy will have a better average strokes gained, but, unfortunately it can appear as a negative number.

Here’s another extreme example. Suppose a player duffs shots from 20-40 yards. So this player lays up to 70 yards and has a negative stokes gained for the approach shot. But for this player it’s still a better strategy than laying up closer to the hole (with would improve his approach shot strokes gained) and then experiencing the more negative strokes gained from 20-40 yards. For this player, I’d hope the negative strokes gained from 20-40 would lead the player to improve that part of his game and it would have the secondary benefit of improving his approach shot strokes gained.

Recovery Shots: Are ”trouble shots” eventually going to be treated different than shots from the rough? Seems like hitting a knockdown onto the green from under a tree (or even getting close) would result in more strokes gained, given the starting circumstances, than doing the same thing from a foot off the fairway.

Yes, recovery shots are treated differently than the rough.  I explain it this way.  If you are in a position where you can’t hit your “normal” shot toward the green (e.g., blocked by a tree, in rough so deep that you need to hit an 8-iron instead of a 5-iron, or in a bunker where you need to hit a wedge instead of a 5-iron), then that should be called a recovery shot, which essentially place the “blame” on your two shots combined to the previous shot (e.g., your tee shot), not the next shot.

Related question: Will you introduce obstructed lies, in addition to sand and rough?
Answer: Obstructed lies are called recovery shots in the Golfmetrics app.

Recovery shots: How does recovery show up in the data?”

Recovery shots are included in the sg calculations for all reports, but are not separately reported (e.g., we don’t have a “Strokes gained from recovery shots” report). We are in the process of adding a number of new reports (strokes gained per shot, greens hit, proximity, and more detailed putting reports). We also plan to add a “best shots / worst shots” report, so this might help to point out, e.g., which shots are leading to more penalties or recovery shots. how does recovery show up in the data?”

Recovery shots are included in the sg calculations for all reports, but are not separately reported (e.g., we don’t have a “Strokes gained from recovery shots” report). We are in the process of adding a number of new reports (strokes gained per shot, greens hit, proximity, and more detailed putting reports). We also plan to add a “best shots / worst shots” report, so this might help to point out, e.g., which shots are leading to more penalties or recovery shots.

Round filtering: Is there a function to aggregate all the rounds into season long results?

In the “round” tab, tap the menu bar (3 horizontal lines at the bottom center of the screen), then tap “Select All” and all of the rounds will be selected. (You can also deselect individual rounds at this point.) Then go to the results tab to see the results for all of the selected rounds.

Sand: Is it possible to split the SAND stats in fairway bunkers and greenside bunkers? Or do you consider fairway bunker recovery shots. Is all sand shot from within 100 meters are considered the same?

Currently there is a ‘sand 0-100’ category. Results from, say, 100-150 yards, are not currently split into fairway, rough and sand (but that is something we are planning for a later release).

A fairway bunker shot is typically not a recovery shot, but could be. To be called a recovery shot, the ball should be in a position where the player cannot play a ‘normal’ shot to reach the green. For example, if the player could reach the green with a 5-iron but the lip of the bunker forces the player to use a pitching wedge that can’t reach the green, then that should be labeled a ‘recovery’ shot. Otherwise it should be labeled ‘sand.’

SG/Handicap: I think that showing SG per shot in the handicap table might be very useful information.

I tend to agree. I think it might be less confusing to show strokes gained per shot (because that is how the handicap is computed), but the tradeoff is that strokes gained per shot is “different” than strokes gained per round shown elsewhere.

Short Game Distances: Is there a table with short game distances with SG numbers. In the table from the book it is limited to 20, 40, 60 and 80 yards. I would like to know the numbers for 15, 25, 30, 35, 45, 50, 55, 65, 70 and 75 meters from fairway, rough and sand. Is there a way to use the app to do this, if yes how. This would also solve the yards/meters issue if I can use the app for this.

You can enter any distance, e.g., 55 meters rough, and the app will give the SG value for the shot, which then gives the average strokes to hole out. For example, from 55 meters in the rough the SG is 1.75, which means a ‘hole out’ would gain 1.75 strokes (for the Pro benchmark). The average strokes to hole out (for a pro) is therefore 2.75.

You can change between yards and meters using the ‘3-bar’ menu in the round tab and select ‘Units’ to toggle between yards and meters. (Note that the reports use 100-150 always to mean yards.)

Shot Entry: How would I enter the following shot? I am 20 yards in the greenside rough/treeline with a very difficult lie to a tight pin and fast green, carrying a bunker. After looking at the options, I decide the play is to pitch out to the front of the green in the fairway for a better angle. Do I enter this shot at 20 yards from the rough or do I enter as 20 yard recovery shot?

Since you can’t play the preferred shot toward the hole (or at least toward the green), this should probably be labeled a recovery shot. The effect of labeling a shot a recovery shot is to place most of the “blame” on the prior shot. (Sometimes it isn’t so obvious what label to use, and in those cases “rough” might make more sense.)

Strokes Gained categories: What metrics for strokes gained does your app include? Is it just putting or Putting from 0-5\’ 6-15\’ 16\’? And for short game is it total short game or 10-30 yds, 30-50 yds? For approaches does it cover inside 100 yds, 101-150, 151-200, 200-250, 251 ?

The Golfmetrics app gives strokes gained results for four main categories (drive, approach, short and putting) and then breakdowns:

Approach: 100-150, 150-200, 200-250, > 250
Short: 0-20, 20-60, 60-100, greenside sand
Putting: 0-6, 7-21, 22+

Subscriptions: If I have a subscription on my phone do I need another one for my iPad?

No, one subscription for both devices.

Team Option: Regarding team option, what are the extra functionalities and how many players can I add

The team option was developed to satisfy requests we had from academic based teams (e.g. American Colleges) and golf academies that needed:

  • Ability to have a single invoice for up to 14 members (one of which is the “coach” or “manager”).
  • manager capability to form the team without intervention from Golfmetrics
  • more attractive per player pricing
  • data sharing capability. Each team member can download all team member rounds (in read only mode)
  • reporting across all team members. This is powerful for the coach where it is clear where individual members need improvement. It is anticipated to create excitement and competition among players as they can see each others strengths and weaknesses.
Tight lies: My course has sand cart paths and many tight lies. How would to enter a shot on a hardpan sandy surface? Sand, rough or fairway?

The question is how similar is the difficulty of the shot from the hardpan to sand, rough or fairway? Many golfers consider hardpan a very good lie and labeling it as fairway would make sense. Others might consider it closer to sand. Sand is more difficult than fairway because the sand might be soft, there might be a lip to clear, etc. I’d say it should be either fairway or sand, depending on your judgment. As with recovery, labeling a shot from the hardpan as “fairway” would say that the previous shot was a good one, while labeling as “sand” would say that the previous shot wasn’t quite as good (and it depends on how you view the difficulty of the shot from the hardpan).

What is Rough: For shots in the rough around greens (under 20 yards), where you typically chip or pitch from, are those to be classified as rough ?

Yes, they should be classified as rough. The “condition” of the shot is rough if the ball is in the rough, independent of the distance of the ball to the hole (i.e., over or under 20 yards does not matter).

When to use Tee: When you hit an iron off the tee for position, should you still use ”tee” or recovery as you are not going with driver?

Tee, not recovery.   It is true that hitting an iron off the tee might lead to a negative strokes gained for the tee shot, but it can be a better decision because using a driver would lead to a more negative SG.  ‘Recovery’ should be used as a label for ‘non-tee and non-fairway’ shot where the player is forced to use a different club or different line that would normally be chosen for the shot.  For example, in the rough if you’d normally hit a 5-iron toward the green, but you are in the woods and instead punch out to the fairway.  For another example, in the rough you’d normally hit a 5 iron straight to the green but the rough is so deep that you take a wedge to ‘hack it out’.  In both examples, the lie should be labeled as ‘recovery.’  A ‘recovery’ label places the ‘blame’ for a two-shot sequence on the first shot, not the second shot (i.e., the shot that led to the recovery lie).

Yardage Entry: Should the yardage entered be the actual, or effective (ie taking slope – and maybe wind into consideration). For instance, SG off the tee might be distorted off downhill holes and uphill/downhill approach shots might show distortion when sorted into the various buckets (150-200 etc).

Because the baselines were created using “actual” yardage, I’d recommend using that. However, you are correct that an argument could be made for “effective” yardage, and that would be fine as well, though being consistent would help. Another reason for using “actual” yardage is that it removes any subjectivity (e.g., do you also include the wind? course elevation? temperature?).

Course Maps: I was just wondering if you have my course mapped in your database.

The GM app doesn’t need any course maps, it can be used with any course (including practice sessions), because it is not GPS-based.

Course name: how do I change after a round is entered?

Create a new round with the desired course name. Check the check box of the round whose course name you would like to change and press the wrench icon. From the drop down the choose the course name you would like and press modify.

Double chip: How would you enter a double chip into golfmetrics?

Interesting question that I hadn’t considered. Luckily an easy answer. It would be a chip followed by a penalty, .e.g., if shot 3 is the double-chip that finishes on the green:

Shot dis condition
3 14 yds rough
4 penalty
5 12 feet green

Every Shot Counts Comparison: “In the Introduction to “Every Shot Counts” by Mark Broadie, in the section titled “The Problem with Traditional Stats”, an image is shown of a sample Golfmetrics yardage book. How can I get such a yardage book for the courses I play, so I can use it to gather data in a round of golf to enter into the golfmetrics app?”

The book referenced the desktop Golfmetrics version which is different than the Golfmetrics app. The GM app does not require nor use yardage books and it does not rely on GPS. So the GM app can be used with any course. The tradeoff is that you don’t get satellite images on which to view shots.

First Cut: My coach and I have been discussing how to classify shots that miss the fairway and end up in very short rough/first cut. My coach says that for handicap players it is actually easier to hit a ball that sits in the short rough as opposed to the fairway, particularly in summer when here in England our fairways are hard.

We suggest first cut (i.e., one yard wide intermediate cut) be classified as fairway.